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Laura Dexx
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:02:00 -
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That's rather saucy and all, but is this just pure ******* punishment for those who can fly all racial destroyers and battlecruisers? Are you really going to force us to train three additional racial skills just to fly the ships we used to fly? This won't fly and you know it. |
Laura Dexx
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:15:00 -
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You really should have thought the blog through more thoroughly. Instead you're left with angry replies of people who *gasp* crosstrained and a threadnought in the making. |
Laura Dexx
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:38:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:FOFOFOFOOOO wrote:On a side note its quite funny to see that it now takes less time to get into a dread then a black ops bs. Good thing they fixed black ops bs. + 1 like
This can't be missed. Great job, this sure doesn't look like it was thought out in a night. |
Laura Dexx
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:14:00 -
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Nirnaeth Ornoediad wrote:quygen wrote:First page \o/
Still wondering about splitting those BC skills, i trained that to lvl5 about 2,5 years ago.
have to do all the training all over again. That assumes they don't grant you all 4 x Racial BC skills at V. Why is everyone assuming that the racial BC skills will take as much time as the generic BC skill?
Looks like you're the one who can't read, the blog clearly states that the racial battlecruiser skills will most likely have the same rank. |
Laura Dexx
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:03:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:words words words
Why are you ignoring Black Ops Battleships? Why does it take less time to get into a ******* powerful dreadnought than a gimped overpriced shitmobile?
I think having Battleship v as a requirement for training capital ships is pretty frigging necessary. Here's a graph on how raw hit points increase per ship class, notice how it just dwarfs the rest of the ship classes:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/zoKP9.jpg[/img]
Surely that sort of massive increase in raw HP warrants a little bit longer training time? Or do you really want this game to turn even more into a capital borefest than it is already? |
Laura Dexx
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:13:00 -
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james1122 wrote:Laura Dexx wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:words words words Why are you ignoring Black Ops Battleships? Why does it take less time to get into a ******* powerful dreadnought than a gimped overpriced shitmobile? I think having Battleship v as a requirement for training capital ships is pretty frigging necessary. Here's a graph on how raw hit points increase per ship class, notice how it just dwarfs the rest of the ship classes: This is why racial battleship V needs to stay in the prerequisites of everything capital!Surely that sort of massive increase in raw HP warrants a little bit longer training time? Or do you really want this game to turn even more into a capital borefest than it is already? Confirming that its all about raw HP
If you're trying to appeal to ridicule, at least try to disprove. |
Laura Dexx
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:25:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Laura Dexx wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:words words words Why are you ignoring Black Ops Battleships? Why does it take less time to get into a ******* powerful dreadnought than a gimped overpriced shitmobile? I think having Battleship v as a requirement for training capital ships is pretty frigging necessary. Here's a graph on how raw hit points increase per ship class, notice how it just dwarfs the rest of the ship classes: This is why racial battleship V needs to stay in the prerequisites of everything capital!Surely that sort of massive increase in raw HP warrants a little bit longer training time? Or do you really want this game to turn even more into a capital borefest than it is already? Yet another person that didn't really read the blog. Skill changes is the first step in change to abolish tiers and let them balance ships by class and function instead of just where they happen to fit in implied progression. Skills are just the first base change in a class by class balance adjustment. And that these ship classes will get new specialization skills which can and will likely fill in those cap training gaps and add more time to all ships to keep older players still interested (at least to some degree) with the ships that are currently tier 1.
Bullshit. Not a single word was uttered about replacing the skill training gap, merely REDUCING. |
Laura Dexx
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:31:00 -
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james1122 wrote:Laura Dexx wrote:james1122 wrote:Laura Dexx wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:words words words Why are you ignoring Black Ops Battleships? Why does it take less time to get into a ******* powerful dreadnought than a gimped overpriced shitmobile? I think having Battleship v as a requirement for training capital ships is pretty frigging necessary. Here's a graph on how raw hit points increase per ship class, notice how it just dwarfs the rest of the ship classes: This is why racial battleship V needs to stay in the prerequisites of everything capital!Surely that sort of massive increase in raw HP warrants a little bit longer training time? Or do you really want this game to turn even more into a capital borefest than it is already? Confirming that its all about raw HP If you're trying to appeal to ridicule, at least try to disprove. Not quite sure what i'm supposed to be disproving ? I don't understand how a graph of hp can be called proof that longer training time is needed. A maller gets more hp than a vagabond does this mean a maller should take more time to train for that a vagabond ? Your argument is extremely linear and just out right stupid
But we aren't talking about mallers and vagabonds here, we are talking about the 'linear approach' to skill training time also being applied to capital ships. A capital ship gets so much more: A jump drive, utility high slots, boatloads of EHP, massive increases in (remote) repair capabilities, and incredible drone capacity to further increase their usefulness.
What I am trying to reason here is that the racial battleship V requirement for the capital ships is justified and there really is no reason to simplify it. I can't believe that you openly support two step but would gladly advocate for removing the single largest hurdle keeping people from training into capital ships.
Also, because I was so nice, here's a graph for fitted EHP. Big ******* difference isn't it? |
Laura Dexx
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:48:00 -
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james1122 wrote:Laura Dexx wrote:But we aren't talking about mallers and vagabonds here, we are talking about the 'linear approach' to skill training time also being applied to capital ships. A capital ship gets so much more: A jump drive, utility high slots, boatloads of EHP, massive increases in (remote) repair capabilities, and incredible drone capacity to further increase their usefulness. What I am trying to reason here is that the racial battleship V requirement for the capital ships is justified and there really is no reason to simplify it. I can't believe that you openly support two step but would gladly advocate for removing the single largest hurdle keeping people from training into capital ships. Also, because I was so nice, here's a graph for fitted EHP. Big ******* difference isn't it? I wasn't arguing about the removal of racial battleship 5 from the capital ship requirements Personally I don't mind it not being there as it just means easy kills off numptys who get into those ships long before they actually have the proper skills to fly them i.e. capital reps, capital rr, capital guns, siege mod, triage etc. etc. Getting into a ship =/= being able to use it. No the issue I had was you using a graph of hp claiming that to be the perfect reason to increase training times on ships. It makes as much sense as claiming battlecruisers do more dps than hacs therefore they should cost more than hacs. Regardless of if what your arguing for is right or wrong your logic is just non-sense
It was a simplified and crude graph showing the justification of retaining the battleship V training. |
Laura Dexx
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:08:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Laura Dexx wrote:
Bullshit. Not a single word was uttered about replacing the skill training gap, merely REDUCING.
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
"It groups vessels into easily identifiable lines for each race and allow us to add new skills to support them. That is the purpose of the ship line skills mentioned above, which could further boost respective advantages. Combat ship line skills could give a bonus to defense, while attack ship skills benefit offense and mobility for example."
Oh snap.
Show me where they said it would affect capitals. Show me where they said they would offset the training time for capitals. You can't. |
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